King Crimson en surround

Je lance ce thread car même si les rééditions en surround ne sont pas encore annoncées, ce n'est plus un secret que Robert Fripp a confié les remixes de tout le catalogue à Steven Wilson.

Par contre, voici - à ma connaissance - le premier avis de Robert Fripp himself sur le rendu d'un de ces remixes -- voici ce que Robert écrit dans son journal en ligne sur l'écoute qu'il a faite de Lizard dans le studio personnel de Steven Wilson

http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=11921

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For the first time I have heard the Music in the music, throughout the album, this including even the sessions at Wessex Studio sessions (the second half of 1970). The music is now audible, redeemed by Steven’s love of the album & the quality of his mixing.

Lizard is not an album that fits into stereo, and 5.1 provides the space, dimensionality & air needed.

Lizard has contributions & the participation of two people who continue to hold & articulate a high level of angst & personal animosity towards myself, now for almost four decades. The Lizard sessions marked the sudden decline in my relationships with both Peter Sinfield & Gordon Haskell. The continuing unpleasantness, plus my dissatisfaction with the final mix & production, has spoiled my relationship with the album & the many good ideas struggling (and before) mostly failing to be heard.

As of today, and for the first time, I can hear & enjoy the album & the music. The rest of it is superfluous. Peter & Gordon both have deserved success in their professional lives & have taken advantage of their access to media, online & hard copy, to present their own feelings & state their cases. So, hopefully, a happy ending is now available.

At Wilson World HQ we were intending to listen to Steven’s 5.1 mix of Red as well, but after 2.5 hours of the intensity & information level of Lizard, my brain moved to pickled in extremis & I left, dribbling, for DGM HQ. A straightforward journeying to DGM HQ, arriving at the end of the afternoon.

A noter que la dernière question de l'interview de Steven Wilson dans Rock Hard ce mois-ci parle des remasters de King Crimson
de mémoire, je n'ai pas le magazine sous le nez

- il a ou va remixer les 10 premiers disques, de In The Court à Three Of A Perfect Pair
- Les disques sortiront deux par deux, a partir du printemps prochain.
- Il y aura des bonus et apparemment ca sera quelque chose dans l'esprit des remasters de Genesis, cf. SW...

Autant dire de la méga bonne nouvelle

Angrom a écrit:

A noter que la dernière question de l'interview de Steven Wilson dans Rock Hard ce mois-ci parle des remasters de King Crimson

Sacré Morgan ! Je lui en ai parlé en début d'année, il ne savait pas que Steven était occupé là-dessus... vraiment cool qu'il ait pensé à lui poser la question pour avoir des précisions.

Ca promet des dépenses (et remiser les anciens CD au placard), mais s'ils sortent par paire, ça devrait rester amortissable facilement (les coffrets Genesis, ouch par contre...).

Ca va me faire mal de remiser les remasters de KC au placard, tout de même , ils étaient vraiment bons...
Je crois que je les garderai, je ne les avais pas payé cher, de toute façon

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KC multitracks of ITCOTCK, Islands & TOAPP to go to London tomorrow for baking, en route to Wilson HQ for mixing to 5.1

Extrait du diary de M.Robert Fripp, source:
http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?artist=&show=&member=3&entry=13523

Il me tarde de pouvoir écouter Islands et Lizard qui doivent, à mon avis, sonner de façon terrible en surround !

Et je pense que In The Wake Of Poseidon pourrait aussi tourner à la révélation !

Pour la période 73-74, je ne sais pas ce que cela peut donner, tellement cette musique me semble frontale, "in your face" ! Quoique, "Fallen Angel", mmh, miam...

Angrom a écrit:

Ca va me faire mal de remiser les remasters de KC au placard, tout de même , ils étaient vraiment bons...
Je crois que je les garderai, je ne les avais pas payé cher, de toute façon

Je les ai tous en "vinyl replica", je ne m'en débarasserai donc pas !

Rhââ la la ! Vivement qu'ils sortent ! Par contre, je trouve bien dommage que ces remasters s'arrêtent à Three Of A Perfect Pair... Les trois derniers albums auraient été fabuleux en 5.1 !

Ehn Deïss a écrit:

Je les ai tous en "vinyl replica", je ne m'en débarasserai donc pas !

Donc tu auras deux intégrales KC, après trois intégrales Led Zep , deux intégrales magma, et 4 intégrales "yes"

Angrom a écrit:

Ehn Deïss a écrit:

Je les ai tous en "vinyl replica", je ne m'en débarasserai donc pas !

Donc tu auras deux intégrales KC, après trois intégrales Led Zep , deux intégrales magma, et 4 intégrales "yes"

C'est pas faux ! Sauf pour Yes (mais certains de leurs albums ont été achetés 4 ou 5 fois, déjà ; et si un jour, ils remixent leur disco en 5.1, je fonce)...

Moi je fais mieux, j'ai 4 integrales de Led Zep, na

Ehn Deïss a écrit:

Sauf pour Yes (mais certains de leurs albums ont été achetés 4 ou 5 fois, déjà ; et si un jour, ils remixent leur disco en 5.1, je fonce)...

Tu sais quand même qu'il existe Fragile et Magnification en DVD-A ?
Je n'ai "que" Fragile mais c'est vraiment un indispensable en surround hi-rez !

Je savais qu'ils existaient, mais non, je ne les ai pas...

Et je suppose qu'ils ne sont plus dispo...

Ehn Deïss a écrit:

Et je suppose qu'ils ne sont plus dispo...

En effet. Mais si tu as de la patience, tu peux en choper sur eBay à des prix "corrects".

J'ai ainsi réussi à acheter la semaine dernière pour "seulement" $38 (donc pas très cher en euros) le SACD (qui existe aussi aussi en DVD-A) du fantastique album Sea Change de Beck, une des références absolues en terme de surround d'ailleurs (mix d'Elliot Scheiner, celui par qui tout a commencé pour Steven Wilson et ses aventures en surround !).

Mais j'ai été patient et j'ai laissé filer pas mal d'exemplaires qui partaient plus cher.

A ces prix-là la "récompense" est largement au niveau donc perso... ça ne me dérange pas. Mais à plus de $40, il faudrait vraiment que ce soit un titre qui me tienne énormément à cœur et que ce soit exceptionnel.

Fais-toi une liste de ceux que tu veux le plus et surveille eBay (le mieux est de se faire une recherche enregistrée avec alerte automatique journalière), tu pourrais avoir de bonnes surprises ! Surtout avec les enchères en dollars...

Fin du HS sorry ! Mais cela signifie que les DVD-A de KC sortiront, faudra pas les laisser passer !

DGM a écrit:

On the Horizon

"Why do we need more space?", you may ask...and one exciting reason is the forthcoming release of the KC catalogue as 5.1 remixes! These are currently being remastered by Steve Wilson of the Porcupine Tree. We will begin with 'Lizard' and 'Red' in June, gearing for a special celebratory release of 'In The Court' in October for its 40th Anniversary.

YES !!! enfin annoncé officiellement par DGM ! Avec une indication de sortie prévisionnelle en plus !

Ca commence fort avec Lizard et Red !

Ben je ne vois rien sur le site de DGMlive

Angrom a écrit:

Ben je ne vois rien sur le site de DGMlive

J'ai copié la newsletter que j'ai reçue hier soir.

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Dear friends,

Try as we might we don't always get everything right.
For example, in our most recent newsletter where we mentioned the forthcoming King Crimson 5.1 Surround Sound Remixes, we referred to Steven Wilson as being responsible for "remastering", when of course, as anyone who has been reading Robert's diary entries in recent months knows, he's the man responsible for remixing all of the albums from the original multi-track tapes. Come to think of it, if he wasn't so busy with a recently released (& highly recommended) solo album 'Insurgentes', ongoing commitments to Porcupine Tree and about a zillion other projects, we might have asked him to do the mastering as well... but we wouldn't want to appear greedy with the man's time.
As mentioned, we are hoping to unleash the first results of the 5.1 surround remixes in June. Plans for Lizard & Red are being finalized just about now. According to those lucky few who have hear the material the results are stunning.
Stay tuned to www.dgmlive.com for regular news updates.

Sincerely,

The DGM Shop Team

Dans son journal, Robert Fripp a écrit:

In The Court Of The Crimson King was recorded on an 8-track machine. So, to build up the multi-tracking of mellotrons, basic tracks were sub-mixed to a stereo pair; eg drums, bass, piano & acoustic guitar were mixed to 2 tracks. By the final mix, the sub-mix was not optimal; and the quality had down-graded.

Steven was able to access the original tracks prior to sub-mixing, with significant improvement in quality not available even on the first generation master-mix discovered fairly recently. However, these original tracks don’t quite run in sync, so Steven had to cut them into parcels.

I heard parts that I have never heard as clearly, not even in Wessex Studios during the 1969 recording.

Hell yeah !

Punaise mais on n'en peut plus d'attendre !!!

Le printemps arrive à son terme et toujours rien à l'horizon...

J'imagine qu'il faudra attendre la rentrée !

Voici les infos les plus fraîches (postées par Neil Wilkes sur le forum QuadraphonicQuad. Neil réalise l'authoring des DVD-A de PT entre autres, et tous ceux à venir de KC) :

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The new stereo mix of "Lizard" is going to be re-tweaked. Don't see a June date in the obvious future.
Trust me guys - as soon as I know the release date, I will tell everyone.
The reason things are getting delayed is not just because of the remix required for "Lizard 2009" either, there are other issues (cannot go into exactly what) as well.
All it means is that these really are going to be well worth the wait.
Not only are we getting these in 5.1 on DVDA, but the archive door has been not so much opened as kicked off it's hinges.....so the wait is worthwhile.

Autres news de Neil Wilkes sur le forum QuadraphonicQuad. Neil réalise l'authoring des DVD-A de PT entre autres, et tous ceux à venir de KC :

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Lizard & Red will be the first 2, some time in September.
Then it will be Court in October with A.N. Other.
Then roughly every month or so there will be a further 2.
Good news? Oh Yes.
We don't know where the series is going to stop any more.............

Patience, my friends, patience.

"Surrounded" est désormais ici !

quelques news appétissantes

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King Crimson 40th Anniversary Editions
:: Posted by Sid Smith on Wed., Jul 15, 2009
Forty years ago this month King Crimson went onstage at Hyde Park London as part of a bill topped by The Rolling Stones. The concert propelled the band from being the “hottest new band in London” to “hottest new band in the UK” overnight.

This status was confirmed when their classic debut album In the Court of the Crimson King achieved a UK Top 5 chart placing upon release in October that year. Such chart success was quickly replicated elsewhere with the record entering the US top 30 and replacing The Beatles’ Abbey Road at the top of the Japanese International Artist chart by the end of the year.

To celebrate 40 years of the Crimson Kings, DGM & Panegyric proudly announce the release of a series of CD/DVD-A editions of the original King Crimson studio albums.

Each CD/DVD-A release features the full original album plus bonus tracks on the CD. Two of the titles – Lizard & In the Court of the Crimson King feature entirely new 2009 stereo album mixes by Steven Wilson & Robert Fripp.

The DVD-A presents each album fully remixed into stunning 5.1 Surround Sound with Steven Wilson (Porcupine Tree) in the producer role and King Crimson founder member Robert Fripp as executive producer.

The 5.1 mixes are accessible in full MLP lossless audio on DVD-A players & DTS 5.1 on standard DVD players/DVD Rom drives. Additionally, High Resolution stereo is also accessible on the DVD-A (24/96 DVD-A & 24/48 DVD/DVD Rom).

Selected DVD-A titles in the series will also feature era specific, rarely seen, King Crimson video footage. Each album is presented in a double Digipack, with booklet artwork featuring new sleeve notes by Robert Fripp and King Crimson biographer Sid Smith alongside archive material and photos, enclosed in an outer card slipcase.

The first three titles are set for release this year with further titles to follow throughout 2010:

Red: September 21st 2009
In the Court of the Crimson King: October 12th 2009 (various editions)
Lizard: October 26th 2009



Additional information about individual titles.


Red – (KCSP 7 CD/DVD-A) September 21st release.

The 1974 classic album that became an inspiration to a
generation of musicians.


CD: Features the original album plus three extra tracks, stunning pre-overdub trio versions of Red & Fallen Angel and the full version of Providence.

DVD-A: Features the original album in Hi-Res Stereo and 5.1 Surround Sound editions, with the three additional tracks from the CD plus Journey to the Centre of the Cosmos also available in Hi-Res Stereo. The trio version of Fallen Angel and the full versions of Providence and Journey to the Centre of the Cosmos are also available in 5.1 Surround Sound.

Video footage: Rarely seen footage from French TV from 1974 featuring performances of Larks’ Tongues in Aspic II, The Night Watch, Lament & Starless


In The Court of the Crimson King – October 12th release – Available in three editions.

The seminal debut album; one of the most innovative
British rock albums of all time.


(KCSP 1 CD/DVD-A edition)

CD: Features entirely new 2009 stereo edition mixed from the original pre mix multi track tapes by Steven Wilson and Robert Fripp, plus bonus tracks including early versions of I Talk to the Wind, the backing track for Epitaph and the session that produce the opening wind effect for 21st Century Schizoid Man.

DVD-A: Features the original album in 5.1 Surround Sound. The 2004 master edition & the 2009 new mix also appear in Hi-Res Stereo, along with several bonus tracks from the original recording sessions.
Video Footage: Newly re-sequenced archive footage of 21st Century Schizoid Man from the legendary Hyde Park concert.

(DGM 5009 2CD edition)

CD1: as per above.

CD2: Features the 2004 master edition plus bonus tracks including the Morgan studios instrumental recording of 21st Century Schizoid Man, the John Peel Top Gear recording of I Talk to the Wind (not previously released on CD) and a transfer of the original single a/b side of The Court of the Crimson King.

(KCCBX 1 4CD/DVD-A Boxed set – Limited edition.)
Full details to be arranged.

Lizard – October 26th release.

King Crimson’s third album, a jazz-rock tour de force.


(KCSP3 CD/DVD-A edition)

CD: Features entirely new 2009 stereo edition mixed from the original pre mix multi track tapes by Steven Wilson and Robert Fripp plus three bonus tracks: Lady of the Dancing Water (alternate take), Bolero (alternative version originally from Frame by Frame) and a studio run through of Cirkus from the original recording sessions.

DVD-A: Features the original album in 5.1 Surround Sound. The 2004 master edition and the 2009 new album mix also appear in Hi-Res Stereo, along with the three bonus tracks from the CD